Counterpunch Special Report: Debunking the Myths of 9/11

B25065 / Fri, 21 Sep 2007 03:07:21 / “War on Terror”

From Dark Fire:

(their theory of what precipitated the collapse of Bldg. 7)

Many fires in the area went unchecked because utility power for electrical pumps, and water pressure for fire engines had either diminished or been lost.

This is what happened.

A Pumped Oil Spill

The debris fall ripping into the southwest corner ruptured the oil pipes of the SSB pressurized fuel distribution system. Operating as intended — the lack of utility power triggering the “need”, and the lack of pressure due to a severed pipe signaling the “demand”, the SSB system pumped oil up from its 12,000 gallon basement reservoir, maximally with a pressure of 50 psi (pounds per square inch) and flow rate of 75 gpm (gallons per minute), onto Floor 5.

Pumping would have started at 9:59 a.m., when Con Ed cut utility power to WTC 7; and the spilling would have started a half hour later when the pressurized pipe was cut. The SSB pumps could have drained the two 6,000 gallon tanks in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Engineers from the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation found that “there was a maximum loss of 12,000 gallons of diesel from two underground storage tanks registered as 7WTC.” (10)

When the pressurized pipe was cut by falling debris and the “spilling” began, the emergency generators would then of course be deprived of fuel and would in short order stop operating.

Without grid or emergency back-up power, how could these pumps continue to operate and fuel this fire with diesel fuel from these 12,000 gallon underground storage tanks?

Additionally, “Both tanks were found to be damaged by debris and empty several months after the collapse. Some fuel contamination was found in the gravel below the tanks and the sand below the slab on which the tanks were mounted, but no contamination was found in the organic marine silt/clay layer underneath.”

Pulled up by the emergency pumps, the SSB diesel fuel went , from the 6,000 gallon storage tanks, under the loading dock, under the southwestern part of the building, to floor 5.

It may all have been pumped out by 1 p.m., or it may have been pumped out at a rate as low as 29 gpm for 7 hours. Since this fuel was absent from the wreckage, it was burned. You can see it as the huge plume of black smoke rising from the World Trade Center, in panoramic photographs of that day. Diesel fuel can supply 2.13 MW of power per gpm given an air supply of 1333 cfm (cubic feet per minute). (11)

“Pulled up by the emergency pumps…….” doesn’t seem plausible as there would have been no electrical power whatsoever to the building at this point and it doesn’t make any sense at all for these pumps not to be powered by the electricity produced by at least one of the generators that they would be providing this diesel fuel for._

CounterPunch Special Report: Debunking the Myths of 9/11

Dark Fire is a loser as a plausible explanation for the collapse of Bldg. 7.

Peace,

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RECENT COMMENTS

So from where came the “juice.”

And no, I’m not trying to start an OJ thread.

GWHunta @ 09/21/07 09:18:58

If people really believe that spraying gasoline on a steel-framed building can result in a neat little symetrical collapse, they should really get straight to the patent office, because it would be a far cheaper method than carefully placed timed explosives.

bacchus @ 09/21/07 09:36:44

It wasn’t even gasoline it was diesel!

Disenchanted @ 09/21/07 09:39:40

The article also doesn’t address the obvious fact that if gasoline were being pumped out of a broken pipeline, then stopping the fires would be as simple as turning off a valve at the source, or failing that, disconnecting whatever the power source for the pumps.

That would be an easy feat for the firefighters. If it wasn’t, then where are the firefighters who can verify?

bacchus @ 09/21/07 09:47:01

I love how the diesel makes every corner of WTC7 collapse at exactly the same instant and exactly the same rate.

bacchus @ 09/21/07 10:04:15

The article also doesn’t address the obvious fact that if gasoline (diesel fuel) were being pumped out of a broken pipeline, then stopping the fires would be as simple as turning off a valve at the source, or failing that, disconnecting whatever the power source for the pumps.

There wouldn’t have been any power source for these pumps. The main grid power to Bldg. 7 was cut prior to the tower collapse that theoretically ruptured these pipes, depriving the back up generators of the fuel they needed to continue to operate, subsequently ending in the complete lack of any source of electrical power to drive these diesel fuel pumps and almost immediately ending the flow of diesel fuel that was being pumped from underground tanks to the 5th floor of Bldg. 7.

Gravity alone works but one way. The 12,000 gallons of diesel fuel bringing down Bldg. 7 theory goes down almost as quickly as Bldg. 7 did later that afternoon.

Peace,

GWHunta @ 09/21/07 10:44:21

Ok, we get your point, you didn’t have to write a whole blog…sheesh…

Number5Toad @ 09/21/07 12:16:32

Non-Garcia “mainstream” explanations welcome.

Feel free to espouse any theory you may have on the collapse of Bldg, 7, Number5Toad.

Peace,

GWHunta @ 09/21/07 12:27:59

it was pretty much a joke, GW.

i think WTC 7 is odd, but i am not yet attached to any explanation for its collapse.

Number5Toad @ 09/21/07 12:30:09

Feel free to espouse any theory you may have on the collapse of Bldg, 7, Number5Toad.

Why does everybody have to have a theory?

Snark @ 09/21/07 12:31:02

They don’t.

But after 6 years, somebody ought to have a plausible explanation.

GWHunta @ 09/21/07 12:35:54

That Dark Fire article is very imaginative.

It’s like the Rube Goldberg explanation of the collapse of building 7.

The best part is when the author invents an imaginary material called “IronCrete” for use in his thermodynamic calculations.

Maybe that’s common practice in thermodynamics?

Seems pretty contrived to me.

Oh yeah, and he uses the maximum amount of energy available in the fuel to show that it could have damaged the truss enough to make it fail.

Oh yeah, and he bases it on the fact that all of that fuel just so happened flow out of the allegedly ruptured pipes to collect in the area of an unorthodox structural feature of the building.

Oh yeah, and his explanation relies on the condition that, although enough damage was done to the building to rupture the pipes, the pumps that moved the fuel remained functional.

So much for lucky 7.

AnPhoblacht @ 09/21/07 17:10:36

……. and his explanation relies on the condition that, although enough damage was done to the building to rupture the pipes, the pumps that moved the fuel remained functional.

And ran without electrical power.

Peace,

GWHunta @ 09/21/07 18:08:34

Typical counterpunch gatekeeper of the left disparaging hit puff piece…

athena @ 09/21/07 18:14:40

Here’s the reply to my e-mail this morning inquiring of the author Dark Fire, Manuel Garcia, Jr.

The diesel powered generators used fuel they were pumping, the system was designed to operate in an emergency when all outside power was lost.

MG, Jr.

GWHunta @ 09/21/07 18:24:57

dikweed @ 09/21/07 18:30:56

Let me reframe the question, as I understand the intended purpose of the diesel backup electrical generators.

Without outside power, when the fuel lines were ruptured that fed the fuel to these back up generators, from where did the electrical or mechanical power come from to continue the operation of the diesel fuel pumps?

If the fuel didn’t get to the generators, they would stop running as I would assume the pumps that moved the diesel fuel from the underground storage tanks to the 5th floor.

Please explain how the fuel continued to rise 6 floors without a source of electrical or mechanical power to continue to feed the fire in this vicinity of Bldg. 7, resulting in the catastrophic failure of WTC 7.

GWHunta @ 09/21/07 18:36:20

I read this like a year ago.

And why isn’t there an OJ thread?

sisyphus @ 09/21/07 18:44:53

Why didn’t you debunk the debunker?

Because the whole OJ thing has been way overdone already.

Really, he’ll likely walk again.

Where could they possibly find a dozen literate impartial jurors?

Peace,

GWHunta @ 09/21/07 19:16:14

Doesn’t diesel make very black smoke?

bigsillypants @ 09/22/07 00:30:04

Depends on the fuel to oxygen ratio and how efficiently it is burned. A pool of burning diesel inside a building with limited air flow wouldn’t burn very efficiently nor would it burn very hot.

And yes, the smoke would be very black and sooty.

Peace,

GWHunta @ 09/22/07 10:23:56

The diesel powered generators used fuel they were pumping, the system was designed to operate in an emergency when all outside power was lost.

MG, Jr.

Wade Roberts wrote:

Let me reframe the question, as I understand the intended purpose of the diesel backup electrical generators.

Without outside power, when the fuel lines were ruptured that fed the fuel to these back up generators, from where did the electrical or mechanical power come from to continue the operation of the diesel fuel pumps?

If the fuel didn’t get to the generators, they would stop running as I would assume the pumps that moved the diesel fuel from the underground storage tanks to the 5th floor.

Please explain how the fuel continued to rise 6 floors without a source of electrical or mechanical power to continue to feed the fire in this vicinity of Bldg. 7, resulting in the catastrophic failure of WTC 7.

Manuel Garcia Jr. wrote:

Look up the NIST report on the fuel systems of WTC 7 to find your answers; easily done with “google,” which is how I found it.

Emergency power systems are designed to sense the loss of outside power, and then generate the mechanical and electrical power they need for their own operation from the fuel they pump.

If you don’t like my explanation, read the NIST reports.

MG, Jr.

GWHunta @ 09/22/07 10:51:09

World Trade Center Building Seven is the smoking gun.

GWHunta @ 09/26/07 14:22:18

9 Responses to Counterpunch Special Report: Debunking the Myths of 9/11

  1. gwhunta says:

    Lastly, watch this video of the WTC 7 collapse.

    What prompted this person to move towards the window and start zooming for the base of the building just prior to it beginning it’s collapse?

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