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B25636 / Sun, 4 Nov 2007 00:00:53 / “War on Terror”


A prudent military move for the U.S. would be to secure only southern and coastal Iran, as the Turks sweep into Iraq from the north, allegedly to suppress the Kurds, but as a NATO ally to prevent the possibility of an Iranian ground-based counter offensive into northern or eastern Iraq as U.S. combat forces secure and occupy the Persian Gulf coast. This would tie the ground based forces of the “war on terror” into one long chain encircling Iran extending from Iraq to Afghanistan, “supporting” the existing regime in Pakistan to “stabilize” this already gone nuclear Islamic Republic.

GWHunta @ 11/04/07 00:10:53

How is that prudent? Or even feasible? Southern Iran probably looks like one big Imperial Japanese atoll by now, bunkers and traps and weapons caches and mines everywhere. Our “volunteer military” mostly didn’t sign up for Somme-like infantry attacks, and they won’t be very enthusiastic about it. Iran is a bridge too far.

bacchus @ 11/04/07 18:45:06

here’s a postcard from the strategically crucial and scenic city of Qeshm. Any volunteers for storming those mountains?

bacchus @ 11/04/07 18:50:05

Oh, and Qeshm island & its mountains are also full of salt, which means they’re also full of caves. They even feature the longest salt cave in the world!

??The Kharbas Caves
Besides the ancient town Kharbas and in front of the mountain there are four caves which are connected together from the inside. These caves are as old as the made period, where the temple of Mithraism was used for worshipping and prying. All the designs belong to the Iranian ancient era and Pre – Islamic.?? (hmm, I wonder what they could dig these days?)

here’s a photo gallery

The whole place is a guerrilla’s wet dream, which is why you don’t conquer Persia unless you’re Alexander the Great, which our dear leader certainly is not.

bacchus @ 11/04/07 19:00:26

they even have underwater caves:

torpedoes anyone?

bacchus @ 11/04/07 19:03:08

All of the above comments are about Qeshm island, it get’s worse from there.



bacchus @ 11/04/07 19:06:51

And did I mention that Iranian ground forces outnumber US ground forces in the region 10:1? That makes it a fair fight, even if you buy that “one of ours is worth ten of theirs” crap.

bacchus @ 11/04/07 19:18:46

I’m not sure the U.S. military would even obey orders to attack Iran, out of sheer self-preservation.

bacchus @ 11/04/07 19:28:18

And this is why CENTCOM is now headed by Admiral Fallon and not an Army general.

10 to 1 advantage in conventional ground forces won’t mean much against a steady barrage of submarine and other sea launched Tomahawks and larger cruise missiles.

Then there’s the BLU-113 Penetrator this bomb can penetrate over 20 feet of reinforced concrete and more than 100 feet of earth easily carried in pairs by the F-15 Strike Eagle.

Or B-52’s and B-2’s (that recently retrofitted to drop) carrying the much bigger and badder ‘Massive Ordinance Penetrator”:http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/mop.htm
capable of penetrating 200 feet of 5,000 psi reinforced concrete.

These bombers can fly shuttle missions back and forth between bases in Germany and Diego Garcia and deliver these massive GPS guided precision weapons on target regardless of weather, day or night.

Ever Wonder how salt compares with reinforced concrete in terms of penetration by this variety of heavy ordinance?

Mountainous terrain works both ways in terms of being both an impediment and potential defensive asset to conventional ground forces.

The fundamental difference in this likely conflict being that the U.S. military ground forces will have air superiority and the U.S. Navy in the Persian Gulf backing them up.


GWHunta @ 11/06/07 11:42:22

If Custer had had air and sea power, he’d have kept his scalp.

GWHunta @ 11/06/07 11:55:02

Featured today, 11/07/07, on MSNBC:

Moreover, military and intelligence officials have told NBC News that should the need arise, the US is prepared to take out—or simply take—the weapons from Pakistani control.

As Condoleezza Rice said at her confirmation hearings in January 2005, ‘We have noted this problem, and we are prepared to try to deal with it. I would prefer not in open session to talk about this particular issue.’

GWHunta @ 11/07/07 10:16:23

The use of Pakistani air space is essential to the successful and efficient prosecution of any potential military actions against Iran by severely complicating their defensive posture, which is currently planned and projected towards the Persian Gulf and Iraq.

As for the the anticipated lack of consent and potential for dissent and disruptions by the Pakistani people regarding American overflights, that matter is being addressed preemptively.

Sometimes no Peace

GWHunta @ 11/07/07 10:45:47


I was expecting some further comment and while you’re at it, clean this page up.


GWHunta @ 11/08/07 09:31:34

The thing about bombs is, they’re very effective if you know where to drop them. Otherwise… That’s why I bring up the caves especially, but also the rugged terrain in general. If the US gets a lock on secret missile caches or guerrilla hideouts, then sure, bombs away. I bet that in reality, they’ll be as eay to find as Saddam’s SCUDs during ‘the great SCUD hunt’ (none were found).

The truth is, that even a cutting edge DOD satellite can’t tell the difference between a high-tech ballistic missile and a cardboard replica, between a cave opening and some black paint on a cliff face, or a simple false entrance.

Theoretically, nerds in the Pentagon’s basement can use satellites to find their targets. In reality, it’s like a kid sitting on his roof with a telescope, trying to keep track of the ants in his backyard.

If there is a war, the WWII style fighting will be over very quickly, maybe only one day. Then it will just be nuclear weapons and cruise missiles vs. mountain guerrillas, each with the ability to cripple their enemy if they’re willing to be crippled themselves.

I don’t have the ability to delete posts.

bacchus @ 11/10/07 19:51:16

And when million-dollar missiles are being used to destroy cardboard cutouts and false cave entrances, who’s really winning?

bacchus @ 11/10/07 19:57:19

Is open-source intelligence analysis really your occupation? Here I am doing it for free… I assume it’s not for GW.

bacchus @ 11/10/07 20:17:10

More than what I do, open source intelligence analysis is who I am. My income is derived from the State of MI, LTD and isn’t straightforwardly dependent upon my outside interests.

On the clean up tip I’m simply requesting you do something with the photos that don’t display, no need or desire on my part for you to delete anything.

You are of course correct, but only in part, regarding the inefficiencies of satellite and aerial surveys of terrain and the possibility for the effective use of Iranian decoys.

Without special forces on the ground to scout enemy assets and laser designate targets for weapons deployment dropped from airborne assets, overwhelming U.S air and naval power could yield a diminished effect.

Deployment of special forces throughout coastal Iran and establishing “beachheads” of conventional forces based on the coast will enable U.S. commanders to identify and destroy Iranian assets regardless of terrain.

The objective will not be to eliminate all Iranian resistance, simply to eliminate threats to U.S. strategic assets in the region and of course any viable threat to shipping in the Persian Gulf, Iranian command and control facilities, their air defense and nuclear program, ballistic missiles and military equipment manufacturing facilities and of course any conventional force they should happen to field in the futile attempt to drive U.S. forces from their country.


GWHunta @ 11/11/07 09:08:11

I’m just not sure how futile the attempt would be. If I were an Ayatollah, and my country was being bombed, I’d immediately move all missile & naval assets to cut the Strait, and simultaneously move all conventional ground forces into Iraq, Blitzkrieg style (the first tanks could be outside Baghdad within 2 hours, helicopters even faster). Many, probably most tanks & such would be blown up from the air, but the combination of the light cover from the mobile air defense systems sold by the Russians, the confusion caused by Iranian missiles impacting US air bases in the region, plus the sheer numbers of targets, would make it very likely that at least some Iranian howitzers & tanks could get in range of US targets (their howitzers are heavily armored enough that they take a direct hit to eliminate). I would also have battalions of guys on dirt bikes & pickup trucks streaming over the border, bearing gifts of Stinger-equivalent shoulder fired rockets for their Shiite co-religionists, which would make helicopter travel very dangerous very quickly inside Iraq. I’d also have the Iranian air force provide what cover it could for the ground assault- it would add priority targets, if nothing else.

As missiles & howitzer shells are flattening the Green Zone and other US bases in Iraq (that period might only last a few hours), I’d move in special forces to blow up any bridges and roads that might be used to resupply US forces by ground, & set up ambushes for ground or air convoys, which would be expanded & reinforced as more guys on dirt bikes poured into Iraq. I’d emphasize squad based combat, civilian clothes, & not setting up entrenched positions which are obvious from the sky. Of course, I’d also be holding a fire sale for anti-tank guns, modern land mines, quality light arms & radio transmitters for any Shiite or nationalist Iraqis who want in on the action. Once the Strait is blocked for the moment, the roads to US bases are destroyed with ambushes set along them, & anti aircraft squads are positioned along key air routes, US forces would begin running out of supplies very quickly. US forces would have to retreat to damaged bases, allowing Iranian forces to cement their hold of Iraqi cities & increase the distribution of quality munitions.

At this point, there would be a stalemate: Iranians would not have sufficient conventional forces left to move against the remaining US bases (at least not until supply shortages became accute), and the US would not be able to take out Iranian forces without carpet-bombing or nuking Iraqi or Iranian cities. IF both sides go all out, Iran & Iraq will by radioactive ruins, as would the world economy, and US forces would be largely eliminated by enraged besieging survivors, with some portion escaping overland to Jordan and then Israel.

If saner heads prevailed, the military brass would stop taking orders from civilians and negotiate a parley before things went nuclear, and retreat under cease-fire to Israel. Executions of said civilians would likely follow.

That’s how I see a war going, at least. I’m ignoring what other actors, like Syria, Israel, Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan Afghanistan & others might do, because it gets so much more complicated, but any of them doing anything probably wouldn’t be in US interests.

bacchus @ 11/11/07 10:24:27

The most critical outside player you are neglecting to consider in your hypothetical Iranian sweep into Iraq is Turkey, a key U.S. ally and member of NATO, already poised to invade northern Iraq with 140,000 well armed and easily supplied overland troops.

Again terrain is an important consideration and most of the Iranian conventional forces of which you speak are defensively postured and currently have mountain ranges between themselves and Iraq.

Any potential U.S. military offensive against Tehran will be largely waged by air and sea power, with conventional and unconventional ground forces deployed within Iranian territory only for target designation and maintaining protection of the region’s vital sea lanes.

Bases in Iraq will augment U.S. forces in the region, but will not be the sole base of operations against the Iranians.

U.S. military bases throughout the Caspian and Persian Gulf region will make defense of Iranian territorial integrity vastly more complicated, especially in light of the very likely possibility of the U.S. Navy having use of Pakistani territorial waters and air space from which to conduct offensive naval operations, shielding them from standing Iranian coastal and air defense systems.

Pakistani (well Musharaf’s) cooperation in U.S. military efforts against Iran leave the Iranians almost entirely encircled and vulnerable to attack from nearly all the points on the compass, with U.S. and NATO forces occupying Afghanistan and Iraq and overwhelming sea power in the region.


GWHunta @ 11/11/07 11:11:40

There are also several non-material factors I think need to be considered, aside form what I’ve already mentioned. War, of course, has never been only about hardware, as countless examples prove. Think of Haitians defeating Napoleon’s armies with little more than sharpened sticks, for example. Among the important factors that need to be considered are:

1. High Iranian morale. Many Iranians hate the US like poison, and would fight in a unified and enthusiastic manner if attacked. Many Iranians would volunteer for suicide missions, a level of commitment not matched by US forces.
2. Superior Iranian knowledge of the battlefield. Iranians already fought a war against a technologically superior enemy based in Iraq, and they know the area & how it can be exploited. They can also solicit or depend on help from locals on the ground far more easiliy and reliably than the US, especially in the event of war.
3. Detailed Iranian knowledge of American tactics. The Iranians have been closely watching US forces at work since the invasion of Afghanistan. The entire Terror War has basically been an advanced class in how to defeat US forces for the Iranians.
4. Iranian intelligence advantage. It’s far easier for an Iranian to observe US troop locations or get information on future US plans than the other way around. Tens of thousands of Iranians visit Iraq each year, while the Pentagon has a shortage of reliable Farsi speakers who can penetrate Iranian networks. Additionally, the US tends to be very leaky about war plans these days.
5. Low US morale. Many US soldiers are skilled professionals who would charge into enemy machine gun fire if so ordered. Many joined for the college money. Many are very angry that they were ordered to invade Iraq on false pretenses, etc. etc etc. Signifigantly, I would suggest that the speculation that Bush was involved in 9-11 carries over into the military; I know personally of several soldiers recently relseased from service who are convinced of this. Soldiers with low morale are prone to disregard dangerous orders and focus on saving their own lives.
6. U.S. War Fatigue. Much of the US equipment in the region is fatigued through use, and have degraded capabilities. This goes for soldiers too: many are simply exhausted from repeated deployments and just don’t care about much beyond surviving. Iran’s hardware is less sophisticated, but it’s shiny & well maintained.
7. U.S. Inexperience. Of course, the US has plenty of experience fighting other modern militaries. However, such experience is lacking in this generation. The earliest war most officers can recall is Vietnam, which was mainly a guerrilla war. This was followed by a series of wars against non-powers, up to and including the current war in Iraq. A war with Iran would be a sudden shift in gears to fighting an enemy with real capabilities, and history shows that such sudden shifts in thinking and tactics are usually not achieved succesfully. It will be a bit like a boxer-turned-mugger one day attempting to mug an old man who happens to be a black belt in kung fu. It’s not so much the old man’s prowess that might let him win, so much as the mugger’s surprise at being forced to defend himself.
9. Iranian moral high ground. This is one that Cheney certainly writes off as irrelevant, but morale high ground can be more important in war than physical high ground. Iranians will be unified in defending thier country, willing to make any sarifice, while a war with Iran & the subsequent economic turmoil would make the protests stateside bigger & nastier than before the Iraq war. Unemployed people often lack things to do, and protest is as good a thing as any. The rest of the world will justifiably blame the US for the economic turmoil.
10. Iranian ideological high ground. Hardly anyone will buy Bush’s rhetoric about the neccessity of war, least of all Bush himself. Opinion polls show that Americans support bombing Iran, but I suggest that this support is shallow, and would dry up if Americans understood the personal sacrifices were entailed, that Iran is not Grenada. An attack on Iran, however, would prove to many the Islamist assertion that Bush’s real goal is to destroy Islam itself. Such a war would cause many Shiite and Sunni extremists to see the value of shelving their differences temporarily until the Crusaders are expelled. Specifically, a cornered & besieged Iran might not see a problem with helping Sunni extremists topple pro-Western governments in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Jordan & elsewhere. Likewise, many Sunni militants would see the wisdom of coordinating their attacks with Iran’s defensive attempts, & would certainly see a war as the best opportunity coming for putting all the chips on the table and staging insurections. There is at least a chance of a war stirring the perfect storm neccessary for the emergence of a new ‘Saladin,’ with pan-Islamic & unifying appeal in the face of Western hostility. Remember, Bush is a uniter, not a divider.

bacchus @ 11/11/07 17:50:27

If Bush & his puppet Musharraf can quell Pakistan, it would certainly be total encirclement of Iran. But, as any wrestler knows, a weak encirclement usually precedes a reversal. Empires always collapse when they spread themselves too thin.

bacchus @ 11/11/07 17:54:11

3. Detailed Iranian knowledge of American tactics. The Iranians have been closely watching US forces at work since the invasion of Afghanistan. The entire Terror War has basically been an advanced class in how to defeat US forces for the Iranians.

I don’t have the time to elaborate on each of the points above so I’m choosing this one to take issue with.

American tactics in Afghanistan and Iraq have been purposely ineffective, intrusive and antagonistic towards the occupied populations in order to sow the seeds of perpetual insurgencies, insuring the need for a continued presence of troops and an extended occupation.

Neither conflict (Afghanistan / Iraq) has had the disastrous impact on regional stability or the serious consequences on the global economy that can be reasonably anticipated for a war with Iran.

The successful “containment” of the Islamic Republic of Iran “justifies” the extended U.S. / NATO presence in both Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as U.S. military aid and economic assistance to Pakistan.

All measures that will facilitate regime change in Iran

The goal of war with Iran will not be occupation and rebuilding, but simply to force regime change and the tactics likely to be used will be more akin to those used in the Gulf War / Desert Storm against the Iraqis, than the 2003 invasion and current occupation of Iraq.

The goal will be to use concentrated conventional forces, air and naval power to inflict military casualties and destroy Iranian military capability in as short a period as is possible, minimizing the loss of U.S. military personnel and equipment.

There is at least a chance of a war stirring the perfect storm necessary for the emergence of a new ‘Saladin,’ with pan-Islamic & unifying appeal in the face of Western hostility. Remember, Bush is a uniter, not a divider.

I agree in part. There won’t be time for a cult of personality, just a wave of revolt by the “Arab street.”

Between the economic disruptions and ideological divides, Hell could very well break loose in the entire region, especially if the Israelis are in any way involved in strikes against Iranian nuclear sites and especially if they employ nuclear bunker busters they’ve been rumored to have developed for this purpose.

Expect then Iranian chemical warheads on ballistic missiles to be reported to have been employed against the Israeli population as the Iranian response and retribution.

Once that threshold has been allegedly crossed, then further use of weapons of mass destruction against first Iran, and later any who dare attack or allow attacks to made against Israel.

Sometimes no Peace

GWHunta @ 11/11/07 22:39:21

Yup, I agree that’s plausible. It will be interesting if Russia decides to play brinkmanship and go the “an attack on Iran is an attack on Russia” route. If Putin really wants to play hardball, he could try a Cuban missile crisis part II and try to ship ICBMs under joint Russian & Iranian control to Iran- it would be relatively easy. If he did, I think the main motivation would be ‘to prove Russia is a major power.’ The main reason for not doing it would be the sky-high oil prices Russia would benefit from. The economic turmoil would probably be so severe that Russia would be hurt in equal measure.

I don’t think regime change is possible under any circumstances though. That’s one parrallel between Ahmadinejad & Hitler I do see. Hitler wasn’t removed from power until the last 80-year-old conscript had his rifle shot out of his hands by the Red Army in Berlin. I think that’s what it would take to topple the Ayatollahs. The more the Iranian peole feel threatened, the more they’ll rally ‘round the flag.

bacchus @ 11/12/07 10:02:06

I think you’re giving Bush too much credit by saying his policies have been intentionally antagonistic. I think Bush would be a Stalin or a Mao, a popular dictator people rally to, if he had the talent. But he lacks the talent. He can’t keep Americans happy, much less occupied foreigners, even if he tried. Of course, he’s not trying.

If anything, by using insurgency as an excuse for permanent occupation, he’s making the best of a weakness, the way Britney realizes she can’t sing or write music, and so goes for costumes, gimmicks and good production. The thing about insurgencies is, oil pipelines are extremely easy to sabotage. Perpetual insurgency means perpetually sabotaged pipelines.

bacchus @ 11/12/07 10:09:35

I now see what you mean about the photos that don’t work. I think it depends on the server you’re viewing them over. I don’t know how to alter them, at any rate.

bacchus @ 11/12/07 11:07:52

Perpetual insurgency means perpetually sabotaged pipelines.

Which begets higher oil prices, which increases the strategic importance of the remaining reserves and the “rate of return” on the funding spent on the occupation.

So far the U.S. has spent half a trillion on the occupation of Iraq. The full economic cost is much higher, likely in the realm of 2 trillion.

At today’s prices a conservative estimate of the value of proven Iraqi reserves is nearing 12 trillion and it is hoped that further exploration of Iraq will yield again as much. Then consider all the other “client” Persian Gulf and Middle Eastern states who have benefited in terms of “security” by the fall of Saddam and containment of Iran.

Add Iranian reserves into this equation as well, whether we ultimately will directly control or have access to them, or can simply limit their output and the actual military expenditure when viewed in the light of maintaining access and control to these vast and quickly appreciating assets are just a drop in the proverbial bucket.


GWHunta @ 11/12/07 11:47:12

Even Bush must be smart enough to realize that all occupations end. What good was the whole venture if the occupation collapses with most of the oil still in the ground? Nevermind, maybe the neo-cons aren’t that smart. They do seem to believe their own propaganda.

bacchus @ 11/13/07 12:23:54

Nobody is going to let this deal collapse.
You can bet your life on that; they have.

Sometimes no Peace

GWHunta @ 11/14/07 11:20:58

White House loath to criticize Pakistani leader now seen overstepping

Investment in Musharraf hamstrings Bush?

Pure propaganda.

“You’re either with U.S. or against U.S.”

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GWHunta @ 11/18/07 10:53:49

This photo was snapped just before the two engaged in a long bout of “I’m not gay wide-stance-religio-conservative ass sex” and culminated in a circle jerk with an autographed first-press release of Mien Kempf, signed by none other than Adolf “thanks for all of your support” Hitler, handed down from Prescott Bush as the Cet obscur objet du désir.

Bush then thanked Musharraff with a deep tongue kiss and tucked a Musharraf authored copy of “Blueprint to a Dictatorship for Dummies” under his arm before he flew into the Sunset enroute to “Brokeback” Crawford Texas.

Twitch @ 11/18/07 13:11:19

Don’t shoot the messenger, I’m just trying to keep the hatred as fresh as the Headlines.

Twitch @ 11/18/07 13:12:34

Hatred won’t stop them from attacking and or invading Iran or soften the economic blow of $200.00 a barrel crude oil here at home.


GWHunta @ 11/18/07 13:48:20

Bring on the $200.00 bbl, hell make it 250.

I’m gonna sell mopeds and bicycles, and teach Chinese.

Twitch @ 11/18/07 21:41:36

They’re already marketing some pretty cool Chinese mopeds/motorcycles direct online.

Having the means to get there, doesn’t mean anybody will have a place to go.

Soup lines don’t move very fast, ya know.

Sometimes no Peace

GWHunta @ 11/19/07 07:55:01

The reconstituted Supreme Court – filled with judges hand-picked by Musharraf – threw out legal challenges to his disputed re-election as president Monday, opening the way for him to serve another five-year term, this time solely as a civilian president.

Now Washington finds itself supporting a dictator, albeit a somewhat benign one, trying to achieve his technically illegal political goals without alienating the broader population.

~ Richard Engel, Middle East bureau chief

GWHunta @ 11/23/07 13:48:27

The map above with your scenario is very interesting. Turkmenistan does not seem to be a client state – CIA site says they’re slow to privatize their natural gas – so shouldn’t we be looking for something to shake there or is their desert location strategically unimportant?

Chickenma1 @ 11/23/07 14:59:17

Collective Security Treaty Organization

As a former member of the Soviet Union, Turkmenistan maintains and is in the process of strengthening their economic ties with Russia, though U.S. interests have reportedly worked to achieve agreement for a planned pipeline underneath the Caspian for commercial export of Turkmenistan’s vast natural gas reserves, estimated to be 260 trillion cubic feet.

Currently this gas is exported to Russia and sold at very competitive prices, allowing the Russians to profit both from the transportation and resale of this gas. The current pipeline exports 10 billion cubic meters per year and will be expanded to double this capacity and a second pipeline planned for an eventual capacity of 30 billion cubic meters per year is slated for construction in early 2008.

Because of this important economic link and the close proximity to the Central Asian nations aligned in this mutual defense agreement, it is unlikely that the U.S. “war on terror” will spill into Turkmenistan.

Were this to happen, it would almost certainly drag the Russians and their allies into the war and quickly escalate to a global nuclear conflict.

When you think Turkmenistan, think DMZ.

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GWHunta @ 11/24/07 09:27:19

Recent press reports suggesting a disconnect between my views and the President’s policy objectives have become a distraction at a critical time and hamper efforts in the CENTCOM region. And although I don’t believe there have ever been any differences about the objectives of our policy in the Central Command area of responsibility, the simple perception that there is makes it difficult for me to effectively serve America’s interests there.

I have therefore concluded that it would be best to step aside and allow the Secretary and our military leaders to move beyond this distraction…and focus on the achievement of our strategic objectives in the region. I have submitted my request to retire to the Secretary of Defense.

I am grateful for having had this opportunity to serve with the outstanding service personnel and civilians of Central Command. It has been my high honor to have served my Nation and the Navy for four decades, and I thank all of you who continue to serve.

Thank you.

GWHunta @ 03/26/08 09:08:07

Admiral Fallon’s resignation will take effect March 31, Secretary Gates said during a Pentagon news conference.

Statement by the President on Admiral William ‘Not on my watch!’ Fallon

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GWHunta @ 03/26/08 09:14:54

29 Responses to …—… help …—…

  1. gwhunta says:

    May Day

    The straw man goes down.

  2. gwhunta says:

    May Day

    Pay attention to the how, but it’s all about the why?

  3. gwhunta says:

    May Day

    Simply a demonstration of Pakistani air defenselessness?

  4. gwhunta says:


    Dirty game against Pakistan?


    It begins with us.

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  5. GWHunta says:

    Obama to Veto Any Attempt to Roll Back Automatic Cuts After Committee’s Inability to Reach Debt Deal

  6. GWHunta says:

    America’s Covert War Against Iran. Do ‘All Options’ Mean Nukes?

    In this light, it is hardly an accident that the same 2012 Defense Authorization Act which threatens to collapse Iran’s economy also targets dissident Americans with loss of their constitutional rights and indefinite detention under a creeping martial law regime.

    One crime begets another.
    ~Tom Burghardt

  7. GWHunta says:

    “Israeli” strike on Iran.
    Mitt’s already given his blessing for that. Even Joe’s been down that road.
    Couldn’t possibly be accomplished without US equipment, consent and cooperation.
    What kind of cover for false flag bio-terror on the United States does that scenario provide.
    “Drawbridge Republicans” indeed.
    See: Demand Destruction
    Sometimes no Piece

  8. slyuper says:

    Sometimes no Piece

  9. slyuper says:

    Sometimes no Peace

  10. Google: beginning to end, America created a terrorist threat to justify global hegemony and endless wars of aggression and occupation, in which they destroy and divide and attempt to maintain dominance by spreading insecurity and distress along with an illusion of military might, which is in fact just fear and terrorism, all to capture and control resources.
    Every technique is a direct copy of the Zionist’s experiment in Palestine, now being applied by the USA to the whole Middle East, and dreamt up by none other than the extension of the Zionist network, namely the NeoCons.
    The American people have been sold a massive delusion, and even when they see the compilation and compounding of all the lies, they still go along with it because…… They are afraid. Afraid of what ????
    The truth is they are afraid of going without. They have been trained to fear and trust violence and although some of them do not like these methods, or all the lies, somewhere in the back of their minds, Democrats, Republicans and Liberals alike, many are saying, “Hell, they’re only brown guys with rags on their head out there somewhere, they’re not Americans and they hate us any way for the most part. If it’s between China and us who gets their oil, then better it’s us. Right?”
    So now the American people will roll over yet again and accept that their terrorist state and the war criminals in charge of it initiate another war of aggression this time on Iran.
    And we all thought the Third Reich was bad! I have very little hope left for your people. I feel sorry for the suffering that you are now bringing on to yourselves by your ignorance and cowardice. That you continue to think you are free, and in a democracy is just another lie that you tell yourselves. The same money buys the same wars on both sides of the house, along with your silence and complacency.
    My only hope left is that your military may have a few sane people who will depose Cheney and Bush declare interim martial law, dissolve Congress and send the corrupt lot home and then hopefully restore a true democracy in your country with free and fair elections. The alternative is much worse.

  11. U.S. Special Forces, “boots on the ground” are to be used as human shields inside Syria to inhibit Russian air strikes on U.S. backed insurgents; as previous calls for the establishment of US/NATO enforced no-fly zones in Syria couldn’t possibly gain UN approval or sanction under the current circumstances.
    Unilateral establishment of no-fly zones in Syria while the Russian air campaign in support of the Syrian government is flying a thousand sorties a month would be both a clear violation of international law and a military povocation that would almost certainly result in immediate direct armed conflict between US and Russian pilots.

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